Comments on: What’s In A Word? http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423 Ravine of Light Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:08:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423&cpage=1#comment-889 Patrick Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:15:26 +0000 http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423#comment-889 As I'm thinking about it more, and have been challenged a bit in other conversations, I realize some of the worry is that it might discount the really valid need for atonement. Sinners need salvation, to be sure, and we are told that the sacrifice on the cross was just that. One so huge there doesn't need to be another one. But, that's not the end of the story. For atonement we needed the cross. But does atonement by itself necessarily need the resurrection. Jesus could have died for our sins, and that would give us freedom But he came back. He walked out of the tomb. He did liberate us from death, so that we may face it but we're not slaves to it. Liberate also, to me, implies a process, one which I think Paul really gets at in Romans. In his "therefore" verses especially. We are saved but there's always a "therefore, since Jesus worked..." and with that we're called to really embrace our new freedom. Liberate makes less of an us vs. them, and more of a comment about whether we are moving toward God or away from God. Maybe though we just need a few words. As I’m thinking about it more, and have been challenged a bit in other conversations, I realize some of the worry is that it might discount the really valid need for atonement. Sinners need salvation, to be sure, and we are told that the sacrifice on the cross was just that. One so huge there doesn’t need to be another one. But, that’s not the end of the story. For atonement we needed the cross. But does atonement by itself necessarily need the resurrection. Jesus could have died for our sins, and that would give us freedom But he came back. He walked out of the tomb. He did liberate us from death, so that we may face it but we’re not slaves to it.

Liberate also, to me, implies a process, one which I think Paul really gets at in Romans. In his “therefore” verses especially. We are saved but there’s always a “therefore, since Jesus worked…” and with that we’re called to really embrace our new freedom. Liberate makes less of an us vs. them, and more of a comment about whether we are moving toward God or away from God.

Maybe though we just need a few words.

]]> By: John Smulo http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423&cpage=1#comment-881 John Smulo Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:40:18 +0000 http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423#comment-881 Hmm, interesting thoughts. I don't like those terms either. But I do kinda like "liberate". It's a really freeing word :-) There's something powerful about it. Hmm, interesting thoughts. I don’t like those terms either. But I do kinda like “liberate”. It’s a really freeing word :-) There’s something powerful about it.

]]> By: More Than Stone :: Evango-Meter :: January :: 2007 http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423&cpage=1#comment-879 More Than Stone :: Evango-Meter :: January :: 2007 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:13:53 +0000 http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423#comment-879 [...] Interesting post at Calacirian, regarding labels. It really got me thinking about the term “evangelical”–the good, the bad and the ugly–so I’ve decided to post a “Top Ten” of why I like the term evangelical…and why I don’t. [...] [...] Interesting post at Calacirian, regarding labels. It really got me thinking about the term “evangelical”–the good, the bad and the ugly–so I’ve decided to post a “Top Ten” of why I like the term evangelical…and why I don’t. [...]

]]> By: jamie http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423&cpage=1#comment-878 jamie Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:40:51 +0000 http://www.calacirian.org/?p=423#comment-878 Wow. Great post. I do not like referring to myself with those 2 terms either. I went through a phase of calling myself (and others) "believers", but that only works when having a conversation with someone that understands what I'm talking about. So many labels, at least here in the States, that can be used, automatically associate themselves with the religious right and I'm uncomfortable with that as well. If you come up with something, let me know :) Wow. Great post. I do not like referring to myself with those 2 terms either. I went through a phase of calling myself (and others) “believers”, but that only works when having a conversation with someone that understands what I’m talking about. So many labels, at least here in the States, that can be used, automatically associate themselves with the religious right and I’m uncomfortable with that as well. If you come up with something, let me know :)

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